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ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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0014369 | Scribus | Typography | public | 2016-11-15 21:11 | 2025-06-13 16:27 |
Reporter | Space Pootler | Assigned To | |||
Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | have not tried |
Status | confirmed | Resolution | open | ||
OS | Ubuntu | OS Version | 16.10 | ||
Product Version | 1.4.6 | ||||
Summary | 0014369: whitespace affects justification for centred text in undesirable ways | ||||
Description | The last line of a centred block of text in certain configurations appears to depend on the trailing whitespace in ways that are not easy to predict. | ||||
Steps To Reproduce | Using the Josefin Sans Bold font in all-caps, type a block of text in a sufficiently large size that the last line is almost as wide as the containing element, and the previous line is almost exactly the same width. | ||||
Additional Information | I'm attaching images with control characters visible to illustrate the problem more clearly. | ||||
Tags | #tobeclosed, layout | ||||
Patch | No | ||||
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One space doesn't overflow, but it seems to push the line leftward. |
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If you add two spaces, the original one overflows and the centering is fixed, but now you have an empty line you didn't want. |
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Switching to shift-newlines doesn't help... |
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Same on scribus 1.5.3svn |
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Okay I have no idea why this happens. |
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Seems to be working here. We have no document for replicating it. After "HELP" there should be a newline. |
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Jluc, your example is convincing enough! |
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Oh, wait: there is a space AND a newline there! I have the feeling that Scribus' behavior is correct here... P.S.: the solution would probably then be for the Preflight Verfier to warn when it detects trailing spaces and new lines at the end of the frame.... |
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i dont get it : why do the spaces sometimes interfere with centering and sometimes dont ? imo centering text is centering visible text |
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look at what happens with the right align text and for the forced justification. it's the same for centered text. the solution is simple: you should avoid spaces at the end of a paragraph. latex removes and "compresses" additional spaces html does the same. scribus does not, and i don't think that we should have an exception for centered text. (writer and word -- last time i've checked -- did not either) |
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I see. |
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it feels unclear why some lines are space aligned and some other are non-space aligned (left aligned, right aligned or center aligned) Possibly in some alternative reality there would be/is a setting where start-or-end-of-line spaces do not interfere with visible-text align. |
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As far as I can tell, this is how all the WYSIWYG programs have been working since ever... "Systems" where you directly see the result of what you are typing (like Scribus) tend to keep the spaces as typed by the user (with all the drawbacks that this has) and the ones where the output is only there after a compilation step (HTML, Latex, ...) tend to collapse spaces and remove the trailing ones (to the big despair of those who have caught bad habits with the former ones). The reasons for it seem pretty logical to me. If you want to discuss the topic, I think that it's better to move it to the forums. I've now created a verifier rule for detecting the trailing spaces that is waiting for review. I can extend it to also detect the white spaces (tabs excluded) at the start of the paragraphs and repeated white spaces (again, tabs excluded). I would also detect spaces in front punctuation... but Scribus cannot (yet) automatically put the right space, when the language requests it. Please comment there (it's linked above), if you want those, too. All in all, while I've still not 100% understood the original issue, and we probably cannot replicate it because we're missing the file and the font, the case you're presenting is pretty clear and, as far this ticket is concerned, cannot really be considered a bug. (You're welcome to ask for Scribus to ignore "bad" white spaces, I will agree that it's theoretically a good idea to do so, but I see little chances to see the feature being implemented any time in Scribus.) |
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2016-11-15 21:11 | Space Pootler | New Issue | |
2016-11-15 21:11 | Space Pootler | File Added: .discomposingly-Epicurism-subculture-s-pogonophorans.png | |
2016-11-15 21:12 | Space Pootler | File Added: .Kranach-s-pitifuller-leucones-infatuations.png | |
2016-11-15 21:12 | Space Pootler | Note Added: 0042420 | |
2016-11-15 21:12 | Space Pootler | File Added: .Canestrato-s-Diarmid-s-Bacchelli-s-ulcerated.png | |
2016-11-15 21:12 | Space Pootler | Note Added: 0042421 | |
2016-11-15 21:14 | JLuc | Tag Attached: layout | |
2016-11-15 21:21 | JLuc | Status | new => confirmed |
2016-11-15 21:23 | Space Pootler | File Added: .petrolled-lambish-barfs-ecstasying.png | |
2016-11-15 21:23 | Space Pootler | Note Added: 0042422 | |
2016-11-15 21:28 | JLuc | Note Added: 0042423 | |
2016-11-15 21:35 | Space Pootler | File Added: .Rhopalura-s-inhaling-trasheries-deselection-s.png | |
2016-11-15 21:35 | Space Pootler | Note Added: 0042424 | |
2017-03-16 17:35 | cbradney | Relationship added | related to 0014673 |
2017-03-16 17:36 | cbradney | Relationship deleted | related to 0014673 |
2025-06-09 16:54 | ale | Note Added: 0052721 | |
2025-06-09 16:54 | ale | File Added: centered-spaces.png | |
2025-06-09 16:54 | ale | Tag Attached: #tobeclosed | |
2025-06-09 22:23 | JLuc | Note Added: 0052728 | |
2025-06-09 22:23 | JLuc | File Added: centered with space 2025-06-10 00-21-03.png | |
2025-06-09 22:23 | JLuc | File Added: centered.sla | |
2025-06-10 04:26 | ale | Tag Detached: #tobeclosed | |
2025-06-10 04:28 | ale | Note Added: 0052729 | |
2025-06-10 04:39 | ale | Note Added: 0052730 | |
2025-06-10 04:39 | ale | File Added: center-left-justifiy.png | |
2025-06-10 04:40 | ale | Note Edited: 0052730 | |
2025-06-10 15:13 | ale | Tag Attached: #tobeclosed | |
2025-06-10 15:18 | ale | Note Edited: 0052730 | |
2025-06-10 20:03 | JLuc | Note Added: 0052732 | |
2025-06-10 20:18 | ale | Note Added: 0052733 | |
2025-06-11 20:50 | ale | Relationship added | related to 0017558 |
2025-06-13 13:49 | JLuc | Note Added: 0052758 | |
2025-06-13 14:33 | JLuc | Note Added: 0052759 | |
2025-06-13 14:34 | JLuc | Note Edited: 0052759 | |
2025-06-13 14:36 | JLuc | Note Edited: 0052759 | |
2025-06-13 14:37 | JLuc | Note Edited: 0052759 | |
2025-06-13 14:38 | JLuc | Note Edited: 0052759 | |
2025-06-13 16:27 | ale | Note Added: 0052760 |