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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0014555 | Scribus | User Interface | public | 2017-01-14 07:07 | 2017-03-02 07:37 |
| Reporter | christoph_s | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | new | Resolution | reopened | ||
| Platform | x86 64 | OS | Linux | OS Version | openSUSE 42.1 |
| Product Version | 1.5.3.svn | ||||
| Summary | 0014555: Better "Guides" tooltip in 1.5.x | ||||
| Description | In 1.4.x users had the option to select whether guides are being displayed in the foreground or in the background via either Document Setup or the Prefs. This option is no longer available in 1.5.x and should be restored. | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| Patch | No | ||||
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in scribus 1.5.x there are even more options for this. you can define how content objects, guides, grid, baseline grid and margins are stacked on top of each other. if this works on all platforms (on macOS it does–) the issue could be closed. |
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This options has been removed on purpose as it is indeed now possible to configure how objects, guides, grid, baseline grid and margins are stacked on top of each other. See Guides > Placement. |
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Right. I was being misled by the insufficient tooltip. It should be replaced by something like "You can determine the hierarchy of visibility of design aids relative to actual content, as well as each other by using the arrow buttons." |
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imo, if the dialog is not self-describing enough, it should be improved. tooltips are not a bad idea, but most people do not read them... and long tooltips tend to be unreadable... |
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I'm not sure how to make it happen, but I'd suggest removing the up/down arrows and making the items in the list box draggable (tried a few options and cannot make it work). Enabling this in all listboxes would save some GUI space in many locations and align functionality across the application. Maybe @jghali can work that part out? |
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well, i'm not sure that a change is needed. but *if* it's not friendly enough, we should try to make it friendlier, not explain why it's unfriendly. so the first steps is to check if a change is needed. up to now i have not heard of many complaints but it's only in the dev branch and only few people have tested it yet. probably, we should find out all places where resources can be reordered and use the same UI. (layers, what else? currently, they seem to be using the same UI...) |
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I don't think it's not user-friendly, quite the opposite: it's great -- once you know how to use it. What needs changing is that totally confusing tooltip. |
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>> I don't think it's not user-friendly, quite the opposite: it's great -- once you know how to use it. Honestly, Christoph, before starting coding on Scribus, I didn't even know a thing such as tooltips existed. So I join ale on that point: most people probably don't read them. >> I'd suggest removing the up/down arrows and making the items in the list box draggable Ok for making the items in the list box draggable, not for removing up/down arrows. It won't be evident at first sight that items in the list are draggable (unless you add a tooltip that probably most people won't read). |
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Well, Jean, I did, even though I didn't always care. My point is that I was fooled by the *misleading* tooltip, because I relied on it. So we can do both, dragging the items with the mouse (and keep the arrows; we use them in other places, so it'd not be a violation of established UI principles) and provide a better tooltip along the lines I outlined above. |
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The arrows are ugly and break flow in the GUI - they should go. |
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And how many other arrows do you think have to go as well? There must be dozens of them ;) Seriously, this feature is really good, including the arrows. It could be improved, but the tooltip needs to be modified, because it's misleading. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2017-01-14 07:07 | christoph_s | New Issue | |
| 2017-01-14 07:07 | christoph_s | Status | new => assigned |
| 2017-01-14 07:07 | christoph_s | Assigned To | => cbradney |
| 2017-01-14 07:09 | christoph_s | Category | Canvas => User Interface |
| 2017-01-14 08:40 | utnik | Note Added: 0043340 | |
| 2017-01-14 11:14 | jghali | Note Added: 0043341 | |
| 2017-01-14 11:14 | jghali | Note Edited: 0043341 | |
| 2017-01-14 11:17 | jghali | Note Edited: 0043341 | |
| 2017-01-14 11:18 | jghali | Status | assigned => resolved |
| 2017-01-14 11:18 | jghali | Resolution | open => no change required |
| 2017-01-15 07:19 | christoph_s | Note Added: 0043344 | |
| 2017-01-15 07:20 | christoph_s | Assigned To | cbradney => |
| 2017-01-15 07:20 | christoph_s | Status | resolved => new |
| 2017-01-15 07:20 | christoph_s | Resolution | no change required => reopened |
| 2017-02-26 08:01 | christoph_s | Summary | Forgotten Guides option in 1.5.x => Better "Guides" tooltip in 1.5.x |
| 2017-02-27 09:30 | ale | Note Added: 0043498 | |
| 2017-02-27 17:38 | ale | Note Edited: 0043498 | |
| 2017-02-27 17:38 | ale | Note Edited: 0043498 | |
| 2017-02-27 20:17 | cbradney | Note Added: 0043503 | |
| 2017-02-28 07:44 | ale | Note Added: 0043509 | |
| 2017-02-28 08:09 | christoph_s | Note Added: 0043510 | |
| 2017-02-28 13:52 | jghali | Note Added: 0043514 | |
| 2017-03-01 06:42 | christoph_s | Note Added: 0043516 | |
| 2017-03-01 17:28 | cbradney | Note Added: 0043520 | |
| 2017-03-02 07:37 | christoph_s | Note Added: 0043533 |
