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0014573ScribusUser Interfacepublic2017-01-23 12:12
Reporterlochi009 Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityfeatureReproducibilityN/A
Status newResolutionopen 
Product Version1.5.3.svn 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0014573: proposal for a different grids and guides UI
DescriptionHello

I work with "guides and grids" very often. What I really don't like with the current scribus UI, are the many different places you have to go, to to adjust these.

We have

File --> Document Setup / Preferences
Page --> Manage Guides
Page --> Snap to ...
View --> Text Frames --> Show Baseline Grid
View --> Grids and Guides --> Show ...

That's why I would like to suggest the following proposal for the UI:

Grids and Guides are not much different to layers, as which they are handled by scribus internally anyway, I suppose.
So why don't treat them as such, also? My proposal is to implement either a second layer-panel for grids and guides or to merge it as a new part of the existing layer-panel.

To illustrate my thoughts, I made the attached draft, based on the existing scribus layers-panel.

Aside to much less "clicking" this could maybe also lead to the possibility to define different grids (grid1, grid2, ...) or different guide-combinations for one page, that could be used with more flexibility, e.g. show, snap to, reordering etc.

regards, lochi009
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lochi009

2017-01-19 07:22

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jghali

2017-01-20 12:03

administrator   ~0043388

You can already change how guides and margin are drawn relative to content in File > Document Setup > Guides > Placement

lochi009

2017-01-20 13:41

reporter   ~0043389

I know that and don't miss any fundamental functionality in relation to grids and guides.

Please let me explain:

My prosposal refers more to the comparatively scattered settings, as I wrote above. I would prefer a more compact accessibility to them in a more "all-in-one-place" way and with fewer clicks to get what you want.

The idea to adapt the "Layers"panel for the "Grid an Guides"-UI came from the recogniton, that one can simulate them anyway by
adding a seperate Layer for that purpose, filled with any kind of selfmade grid or selfmade guidelines, but minus the snap-functionalty and minus all the related helpfull tools, that are already implemented in scribus, like the guidelines-manager.

In my opinion "Layers" and "Grids" and "Guidelines" are very much similar, as they all are ultimately layers, the latters only with a special purpose and most of the time without the need to be printed.
  
So, if they are so similar, why not have a similar UI and operation for them?

lochi009

2017-01-20 15:02

reporter   ~0043390

I made another mockup for demonstration purposes ...

lochi009

2017-01-20 16:43

reporter   ~0043391

I made a scribus document for demonstration porpuses (Made with 1.5.3.svn, Windows-Version)
Just play around with it, to get a impression of my idea.



The sla contains 5 layers:

Content Images
Content Text
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Guides horizontal*
Columns vertical 6*
Columns vertical 12*

* These are normal layers filled with different kinds of auxiliary-lines that I made by hand using a calculator and the "distribute an align"-tool.


advantages:
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One can have more than one layer with different auxiliary-line setups at once
One can enable/disable each auxiliary layer by itself
One can reorder the auxiliary layers


disadvantages:
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One has to create the content of the auxiliary layers by hand
The content of the auxiliary layers always refers only to one certain page that it's drawn on



What I would like to have:
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The possibility

-to create different kind of layers, "Content-Layers" and "Auxiliary-Layers" from within the layer-panel
-to create the content on the Auxiliary-Layers with the supoort of the build-in scribus-tools (like Guides Manager) from within the layer-panel
-to edit the content on the Auxiliary-Layers with the supoort of the build-in scribus-tools (like Guides Manager) from within the layer-panel
-to change the color of the auxiliary-lines from within the layer-panel

The content of the Auxiliary-Layers should be applied to all pages oft the document.

Grids_and_Guides_Propsal.sla (44,559 bytes)

ale

2017-01-23 12:12

manager   ~0043408

i have a wish: do not mix guides and grids.

keep them as far apart from each other as possible. please.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2017-01-19 07:22 lochi009 New Issue
2017-01-19 07:22 lochi009 File Added: Guides_n_Grids_Management.png
2017-01-20 12:03 jghali Note Added: 0043388
2017-01-20 13:41 lochi009 Note Added: 0043389
2017-01-20 15:02 lochi009 File Added: Guides_n_Grids_Management_No3.png
2017-01-20 15:02 lochi009 Note Added: 0043390
2017-01-20 16:43 lochi009 File Added: Grids_and_Guides_Propsal.sla
2017-01-20 16:43 lochi009 Note Added: 0043391
2017-01-23 12:12 ale Note Added: 0043408