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0016631ScribusColor Managementpublic2021-09-14 08:252021-12-07 11:20
ReporterScriber Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
Status newResolutionopen 
Platform64 bitOSWindowsOS Version10
Product Version1.5.7 
Summary0016631: Multiple adding of a defined colour adds different colours
DescriptionDefining and attaching a colour seems not to use ONE consistent colour for different objects in one document.
Steps To Reproduce- Define a colour, e. g. RGB 111 in the attached test file
- Stick the colour to an object
- Pick the colour with the colour picker ("eye dropper")
- Compare the defined and the picked colour. You will see differences even without switching colour management on or off
- Explore even additional colours with switching colour management on or off
Additional InformationDiscovered by TSRalex in https://www.scribus-user.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=936

Tagscolor, color management
PatchNo

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Scriber

2021-09-14 08:25

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jghali

2021-09-14 18:33

administrator   ~0049240

Last edited: 2021-09-14 18:34

 Color picker can only get what the window system delivers in its buffers. That means when color management in on, the color picker will get RGB values already adjusted for the screen. Scribus objects are never looked at when using color picker.

Also be aware that the human visual system has pretty different behavior when looking at a small patch of color or a large area of same color. Hence a small patch and a large patch may look different even if input color is the same.

jghali

2021-09-14 18:52

administrator   ~0049241

Also in this document, "Simulate Printer on screen" color management option is enabled, so RGB color values have to go a RGB (color) => CMYK (printer) => RGB (screeen) route. There is pretty much no chance that the color picker can get the original RGB color values in these conditions.

jghali

2021-09-14 19:06

administrator   ~0049242

Btw, there is the "copy properties" tool just left eye dropper tool which can directly copy item properties including named colors.

Scriber

2021-09-15 12:20

reporter   ~0049243

But both viewing conditions (colour management and printer simulation) may not change the real colour that is once defined and put into the document, in my understanding. But this seems to be so.
And it should make no difference to use a defined colour if color management is just on or off. It is a completely different thing than using a colour.

jghali

2021-09-15 18:11

administrator   ~0049244

As previously mentioned the color picker pick the RGB values displayed by screen. It is incorrect to believe that color picker will pick values from any Scribus named color.

edmundlaugasson

2021-12-06 21:13

reporter   ~0049406

I noticed color anomalies also, even I didn't activate any color management in Scribus. I know, that LittleCMS is used (https://www.littlecms.com/) by Scribus.

Examples with comparative data:
GIMP v2.10.28
R165 G0 B80
HEX A50050
C0 M100 Y52 K35

Inkscape v1.1.1
R165 G0 B80
HEX A50050
C0 M100 Y52 K35

Scribus v1.5.7
R165 G0 B85
HEX A50055
C28 M99 Y39 K16

Somehow Scribus doesn't allow proper values to enter via color wheel and will correct last value automatically.
Certainly these CMYK values are just found by certain program, based on RGB and HEX values. GIMP and Inkscape show same CMYK values, Scribus not.

When I define in Scribus C0 M100 Y52 K35, then it shows R167 G0 B54. Besides, no color management is activated in Scribus, although it supports various of different color profiles. When to activate, then same color codes show a bit different color.

When I enter color via Edit->Colors and fills... then RGB is same and allows enter those values (R165 G0 B80). When I switch to CMYK, it shows C28,1 M99,3 Y39,1 K16,0. When I enter same CMYK values like in GIMP, Inkscape, then color tone is different.
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jghali

2021-12-07 07:15

administrator   ~0049410

@edmundlaugasson, let's be clear: Gimp and Inkscape have never supported CMYK correctly.

edmundlaugasson

2021-12-07 11:20

reporter   ~0049414

@jghall
Well, currently I am suspicious against Scribus. It's CMYK values seem to be volatile. At least in GIMP, Inkscape CMYK (also RGB, HEX) values are non-volatile. That I cannot say in case of Scribus. It might be due to development status.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2021-09-14 08:25 Scriber New Issue
2021-09-14 08:25 Scriber Tag Attached: color
2021-09-14 08:25 Scriber Tag Attached: color management
2021-09-14 08:25 Scriber File Added: Dokument-1.sla
2021-09-14 18:33 jghali Note Added: 0049240
2021-09-14 18:34 jghali Note Edited: 0049240
2021-09-14 18:52 jghali Note Added: 0049241
2021-09-14 19:06 jghali Note Added: 0049242
2021-09-15 12:20 Scriber Note Added: 0049243
2021-09-15 18:11 jghali Note Added: 0049244
2021-12-06 21:13 edmundlaugasson Note Added: 0049406
2021-12-06 21:13 edmundlaugasson File Added: RGB_Edit Color_Scribus_1-5-7.png
2021-12-06 21:13 edmundlaugasson File Added: CMYK_Edit Color_Scribus_1-5-7.png
2021-12-06 21:13 edmundlaugasson File Added: CMYK-like-GIMP_Edit Color_Scribus_1-5-7.png
2021-12-07 07:15 jghali Note Added: 0049410
2021-12-07 11:20 edmundlaugasson Note Added: 0049414