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|0010731||Scribus||Usability||public||12-Jun-04 14:24||12-Jun-05 23:10|
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|Summary||0010731: "Save" uses default name instead of opening "save as..." dialog|
|Description||This can be very confusing after importing a non native file for example via the browser's "open with..." feature. You open the file, make some changes, click save and scribus does something. You expect your changes to be saved to the imported file but of course they are not but only stored in some other file you do not even know where it is. |
As this is easy to miss I suggest firing up the "save as..." dialog instead of going with a default path/filename.
|Steps To Reproduce||Import file, click save.|
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in 1.4 you should not be able to open anything else than .sla files.
but this indeed is a problem with 1.6, where you are supposed to be able to .pdf.
but the question is if it's a good idea to use "file > open" to get pages from a pdf and we should not rather use "page > import" for it. that way we could import whole files or selected pages from them. what do you think about it?
I am using 1.4.1 and am opening .pdf files directly from the file explorer via right-click on the file --> open with... --> scribus - it is very comfortable.
But with importing from within scribus it is pretty much the same problem. You hit "save" out of routine and what it does is non intuitive for me.
in 1.4.1, importing PDFs is not really supported... and the PDF feature supported are very limited. but if you're happy with it, just go on :-)
scribus can't save as PDF, it can export to PDF. so, imo, it should also import from PDF and not open a PDF.
the difference is not huge, but -- that way -- we could avoid the issue you're raising and we could also avoid a discussion similar as the current one in gimp (in gimp you can open a jpeg, but can't save as jpeg).
imo, scribus should only open and save .sla files. all the rest should be import and export.
offtopic: pdf importing works well for me with 1.4.1, never had trouble. but I only use it for changing colors and saving as eps and the like
gimp is a good example as the latest gimp version (2.8) handles this issue well. if you open/import (the same in gimp but that does not matter) it will not issue some random filename. if you open a jpg and click "save" it will open the "save as..." dialog as expected.
scribus on the other hand issues some filename and on click of "save" it will happily save to it. but as gimp it should open the "save as..." dialog.
fkjt79, if you open a jpg with gimp 2.8, there is no way to save it as a jpg. you have to export it to jpg. you can only save it to xfc.
this behavior is heavily criticized buy many users (it's not the matter here, if the critics are correct or not).
since scribus is not a pdf editor, i would prefer to avoid the whole discussion and not let scribus open PDFs, but only let him import pages (or full documents) from PDFs.
the end effect would be exactly the same: you get the content from your PDF! and you wouldn't have to worry about scribus keeping the same name as the original PDF and it won't ever try to overwrite it!
the issue you're raising would automatically be solved, in a very clean and logical way.
> fkjt79, if you open a jpg with gimp 2.8,
> there is no way to save it as a jpg.
> you have to export it to jpg.
of course not.
> you can only save it to xfc.
no, you can only "save as...". after importing a jpeg you if you click "save" it will open the "save as..." dialog anyway. it will not save it as jpeg because you would loose all kind of information but it will also not save it as an xfc just like that to some unintuitive filename in an unintuitive place.
Scribus should always open the "save as..." dialog as long as the USER has not yet named the file. Having a program creating a filename of its own is bad practice imho.
> since scribus is not a pdf editor, i would prefer to avoid the whole
> discussion and not let scribus open PDFs, but only let him import pages
> (or full documents) from PDFs.
this is not where I am having trouble. actually this "auto import" feature is very comfortable.
Let me describe the problem again:
1.) I import a pdf and work on it.
2.) Because I am a lazy noob I click "save".
Scribus does something but real quick, it FEELS like it saved the file to the pdf. I never told it about any other filename. I do not know about any other filename than the pdf.
3.) I send the pdf to a customer thinking it has my changes included.
4.) The customer has the file without my changes. Dang.
edited on: 12-Jun-05 22:32
fkjt79, if you read what i wrote above, you should notice that it solves your problem. no more risk to overwrite your pdf. and you will know where you're saving your .sla and where you export your .pdf.
ale, now I understood what you meant. I guess I always open my documents via the explorer.
What you suggest would solve the problem but it would also make scribus less comfortable to work with because as I understand you could only open native scribus documents (.sla) via explorer.
I would do it exactly as the new gimp does.
This really is a detail and know that I got used to it, it is not a problem for me any more. Just wanted to give feedback because it is a simple change that might spare others some annoyance.
All in all I really dig scribus - I do not know of any other free program to edit cmyk vector file colors.
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