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|ID||Project||Category||View Status||Date Submitted||Last Update|
|0005372||Scribus||Import / Export||public||2007-02-20 06:03||2019-05-31 22:33|
|Platform||Linux||OS||Gentoo Linux||OS Version|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version|
|Summary||0005372: tri-fold templates will print to three seperate pages|
|Description||Projects using a template that involves multiple pages printing to one concrete page export to several different pages, despite the appearance as one joined page in the editor. Working around this is unintuitive at best (resizing the pages, but not moving the content and then deleting the extra pages).|
|Steps To Reproduce||Create a tri-fold or four-fold document, and attempt to either print it or export it to PDF. In both cases, it is outputted as seperate pages, when they should be merged into one.|
||I think it would be worth considering to simply let this feature as is in the development series 1.3.5 and remove it from the stable series 1.3.3.x. until we have the ability to print spreads. One goes with the other and having only half of the feature leads to confusion.|
||Stable is stable, it doesn't get removed from there.|
Could we then consider to put a tooltip explaining what to expect and what not?
For instance, the naming itself, 3-fold, lead the users to think this is the way to lay out a pamphlet, while it isn't.
Ever since this feature is there I keep looking at it with some envy: it would be so great if it worked the way it is intended to work. But it is not and I have to learn to keep away from it because down the road it's going to be deceptive.
Don't get me wrong, and we discussed that on IRC, the feature itself is in its infancy. It is not yet ready for work because we miss the output possibilities, as I mentionned. But the idea itself is great. We mentionned the cover of a book, spine and back cover as a great example where this feature could shine.
Putting here some idea that arised from ML discussions.
I suggest we concentrate on the formulation of a tooltip that will make Scribus more usable and less frustrating when used to accomplish, like in this instance, a simple leaflet, which, after all, is a pretty common piece of work.
My first draft is as follow:
"Warning: Scribus cannot yet print pages side-by-side, also known as "spreads". Scribus prints/export only single pages, which is ok in most cases. If your layout needs to be printed/exported as a larger, single, page, made of 2, 3 or 4 pages put side by side, please use the Single page option instead to create your document (use the guides to help you in your design) or be prepared to use another software to assemble your pages downstream. A good example for which we suggest to use the Single page option is the very common letter-size (or A3) 3-fold leaflet."
It might be too verbose (in fact, it sure is). There are good souls around that could probably gather the spirit of this and put it in a shorter way.
I also question the naming of the options. I find that "3-fold" and "4-fold" too strongly and too clearly lead people to think that these are the options they should pick to layout a 3-panel leaflet, pamphlet, 3-fold... Z or U fold... which is not the case.
I suggest "Display 3-page spread" and "Display 4-page spread" better express, in my view, what the feature is or allows to do.
Any better suggestions?
Unless one of the following happens, it should be removed. It has no other usage than misleading people.
a) Change the label to reflect the reality and the expected behavior.
b) Enable 'Print as spread'
One of the first remarks we make in Scribus workshops while going through the 'New Document' menu is "don't use this feature". Then goes the long explanation.
||... and the next remark is: don't print, create first a pdf and then print it...|
This bug was filed 07-Feb-20 (more than 4 years ago).
The status is "Acknowledged" meaning someone from the team went over it and decided that it was something worth considering to do. I support that.
It would be useful to have a (rough) estimate of what would be needed in terms of coding time to add this long-awaited feature to Scribus.
this ticket can be probably closed, since threefold has been removed from 1.5.
in the future we might add again a multiple fold... but i think that indeed the three one is of little interest...
||three years later, i still think that this ticket should be closed...|
|2007-02-20 06:03||peterh||New Issue|
|2008-02-06 01:35||christoph_s||Status||new => acknowledged|
|2008-02-23 10:10||louisdesjardins||Note Added: 0019051|
|2008-02-23 10:39||cbradney||Note Added: 0019052|
|2008-02-23 13:38||louisdesjardins||Note Added: 0019054|
|2008-02-26 16:23||louisdesjardins||Note Added: 0019095|
|2011-07-21 14:18||louisdesjardins||Note Added: 0026624|
|2011-07-21 21:13||ale||Note Added: 0026630|
|2011-07-21 21:32||louisdesjardins||Note Added: 0026631|
|2016-04-21 02:49||Kunda||Tag Attached: discussion|
|2016-04-21 07:24||ale||Note Added: 0040360|
|2016-04-21 07:25||ale||Tag Attached: #tobeclosed|
|2019-03-21 08:38||ale||Note Added: 0046029|
|2019-05-31 22:33||cbradney||Assigned To||=> cbradney|
|2019-05-31 22:33||cbradney||Status||acknowledged => closed|
|2019-05-31 22:33||cbradney||Resolution||open => won't fix|