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|ID||Project||Category||View Status||Date Submitted||Last Update|
|0005503||Scribus||User Interface||public||2007-03-30 01:56||2016-03-22 23:55|
|Target Version||1.6 milestone||Fixed in Version|
|Summary||0005503: Remove dividers between quotation marks entries|
|Description||In the current Insert > Quote dialog, the dividers between the entries are based on English typography. Thus, they should be removed, because other national typographical traditions require different descriptions, and the dividers may cause unnecessary confusion.|
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||They divide by type of quote, eg double, single, guillemet, not by usage.|
||cbradney: They divide by usage from an english perspective. In other languages things look differently. I didn't suggest to remove the divider between 66, 99 etc types of quotes and guillemets, but the two between "Double Right"/"Low Single Comma" and "Low Double Comma"/"Single Reversed".|
Actually, you might believe this, but this is not the case.
They are divided as follows:
There is no language specific orientation at all.
cbradney: if translated to another language, this looks weird, believe me.
Low Single Comma
Low Double Comma
German, Russian, Croatian ...
Single Right (English)
Double Right (English)
Looks not so reasonable. It was prokoudine on irc who stumbled across the issue, and I believe he's right.
||Looks fine to me.. now its left vs right.|
Single Right (German)
Double Right (German)
As far as I understand, the quotes are grouped first after their *form*, then according to the *placement* of the signs, from top to bottom.
The menue is:
1* Apostrophs (single and double) --> on the top
2* English quotes (left and right, single and double) --> on the top.
3* Commas/quotes below the signs --> below
4* Reversed english quotes (single and double) -> on the top
5* Guillame/french quotes (single and doble) -> in the middle
6*The the cjk's ...
This is understandable:
1--4 are comma-like, the others not.
1--4 are order after single/doble and top-to-bottom. Only 3 does not follow the from-top-to bottom order (according to form, not function).
BTW: It would have been easier it the signes themselves could have been included behind the name so the people not familiar with the (translated) names on a glance could see wich one they want.
||I have now swapped reversed and lower as per Axelb's note.|
cbradney: what do you think of removing the first 2 entries from the "Quotes" menu?
1. The apostrophe isn't a typographical apostrophe, but a typewriter apostrophe.
2. Straight Double means inch (most of the time)
3. Both characters can be easily inserted with the keyboard.
christoph_s: Actually, I was asking myself the same question. I was expecting a real, typographic apostroph, and was surprised to see the normal inch sign and the typewriter apostrophe. Perhaps we need to remove them, but then perhaps make other changes too. Either:
1) Rename the
«single quote right» [english type]
«Single quote right / apostroph»?
A bit long perhaps, so another solution would be
2) to put the typographical apostroph a second time at the top instead of the present two not very needed signs.
Perhaps removing and 1) would be for the best?
Thinking more about it: Why do we have apostrophs in the quotes menue in the first place? Does anyone use them as quotes typographically? When we are talking about the typographical apostroph, yes, but the ones provided ...?
3) A third soultion would be to move the apostroph into the menue "signs" instead ...
What do you think?
||Adding to 1.6 milestone|
|2007-03-30 01:56||christoph_s||New Issue|
|2007-03-30 06:07||cbradney||Status||new => resolved|
|2007-03-30 06:07||cbradney||Resolution||open => no change required|
|2007-03-30 06:07||cbradney||Assigned To||=> cbradney|
|2007-03-30 06:07||cbradney||Note Added: 0015680|
|2007-03-30 15:30||christoph_s||Status||resolved => feedback|
|2007-03-30 15:30||christoph_s||Resolution||no change required => reopened|
|2007-03-30 15:30||christoph_s||Note Added: 0015685|
|2007-03-30 22:25||cbradney||Status||feedback => resolved|
|2007-03-30 22:25||cbradney||Resolution||reopened => no change required|
|2007-03-30 22:25||cbradney||Note Added: 0015687|
|2007-03-30 22:39||christoph_s||Status||resolved => feedback|
|2007-03-30 22:39||christoph_s||Resolution||no change required => reopened|
|2007-03-30 22:39||christoph_s||Note Added: 0015688|
|2007-03-30 22:42||christoph_s||Note Added: 0015689|
|2007-03-30 22:54||cbradney||Note Added: 0015690|
|2007-03-30 23:07||christoph_s||Note Added: 0015691|
|2007-03-31 10:21||axelb||Note Added: 0015693|
|2007-03-31 13:28||cbradney||Note Added: 0015694|
|2007-04-01 01:10||christoph_s||Note Added: 0015698|
|2007-04-01 08:03||axelb||Note Added: 0015699|
|2007-04-01 08:33||axelb||Note Edited: 0015699|
|2007-04-01 08:35||axelb||Note Edited: 0015699|
|2007-04-01 08:37||axelb||Note Edited: 0015699|
|2007-04-01 09:19||axelb||Note Edited: 0015699|
|2016-03-22 23:55||Kunda||Patch||=> No|
|2016-03-22 23:55||Kunda||Note Added: 0039345|
|2016-03-22 23:55||Kunda||Target Version||=> 1.6 milestone|