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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0005534 | Scribus | public | 2007-04-06 08:13 | 2015-11-27 22:45 | |
| Reporter | Magnes | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | confirmed | Resolution | open | ||
| Platform | Linux | OS | Ubuntu | OS Version | 6.10 |
| Product Version | 1.3.3.9cvs | ||||
| Summary | 0005534: Exported PDF without fonts... larger | ||||
| Description | When exporting document to PDF on the "Save to PDF" dialog I removed all fonts from "Fonts to embed" and "Fonts to change to outline" (I use not English Scribus, so the names could be a little different, I atached a screenshot though viewing the setting). The resulting PDF file was larger (13.1MB instead of 13MB) than the one exported with all fonts changed to outline and the PDF in Adobe Reader (linux version) looked like the fonts where missing and where replaced (all) by some strange thin font (second screenshot). | ||||
| Tags | #please_test | ||||
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| child of | 0002438 | acknowledged | Metabug: Cases of extreme memory use |
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2007-04-06 08:13
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1. Which scribus version? 2. You can easily look up the original menu item names, just switch the Scribus GUI to English (Plik/Konfiguracja/Ogolne/Jezyk:Angielski) 3. Your 2nd screen shot just shows what happens if Scribus can't find fonts used in a Scribus document -- they _are_ missing, because you've neither embedded nor outlined them. What's wrong about this behaviour? |
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Ad. 1. Version 1.3.3.8 (I forgot to select). Ad. 2. OK. "Save to PDF" is "Save as PDF", "Fonts to change to outline" is "Font to outline". Ad. 3. Yes. The screen is from Adobe Reader opening file generated with none fonts embeded and none outlined. What's wrong is that the file size of the PDF WITHOUT the fonts is the same (13MB) as the filesize of the PDF WITH the fonts outlined (so the fonts are missing but something takes the space). File size with the fonts: 13,597,127 (smaller??) File size without the fonts: 13,623,345 Also if I generate PDF without the fonts outlined or embeded shouldn't the Adobe Reader use installed fonts (when they are available?)? |
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<quoting>Also if I generate PDF without the fonts outlined or embeded should the Adobe Reader use installed fonts (when they are available?)?</quoting> Wrong expectations, it shouldn't, and it won't work this way. If you neither embed nor outline your fonts, Adobe Reader will use one of its own fonts. It can only work, if you use in your document and neither embed nor outline fonts which are delivered with Acroread anyway, like Myriad Pro or Minion Pro: http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Darmowe_polskie_fonty_przeznaczone_do_druku#Minion_Pro btw, this is better discussed on the mailing list http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus , but if you manage to make the source files of your magazine (tarred or zipped "Collect for output") available to us, I will test it and try to confirm the issue with "too large file size" |
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OK, I understand the issue with Adobe Reader. So this bug is not important as I suppose. <quoting>if you manage to make the source files of your magazine (tarred or zipped "Collect for output") available to us, I will test it and try to confirm the issue with "too large file size"</quoting> I attached older document (without graphics) with the same strange problem here: http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=4453 (I suppose it's easy to reproduce - just generate one pdf with all fonts outlined and second with none outlined and none embeded fonts). Also I can't embed most of the fonts in that document (Georgia for example), don't know if it's the issue described here: http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=5441 (that fonts can't be embeded also in the 1.3.4 CVS version, where the glyph number limit is set to 2048, maybe it's still to small for them? or they can't be embeded for another reason?). |
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I'm sorry, I'm not able to confirm it, because I can't even load the document attached to 0004453 -- my whole system had almost frozen for about 0.5 h, then I had to stop it. |
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All of those characters need describing as vectors if you outline.. it might not be too surprising if the pdfs are similar sizes. |
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<quoting>All of those characters need describing as vectors if you outline.. it might not be too surprising if the pdfs are similar sizes.</quoting> He did neither embed nor outline. |
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<quoting>Also if I generate PDF without the fonts outlined or embeded should the Adobe Reader use installed fonts (when they are available?)?</quoting> Yes, but you have to switch on "Use Local Fonts" in Acrobat Reader. |
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The document takes aprox. 800MB of the memory, so you'll need to have at least 1GB of RAM to open it (swap will do). In 1.3.3.8 it's much faster (in 1.3.4CVS it could take minutes to open). PS. I have "Use local fonts" turned on, but doesn't look like it's working. The document looks the same (Adobe Reader 7.0 for linux). PS.2. I tested it on a new document and couldn't reproduce - the size of the file without fonts was smaller as it should. |
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OK. I got it. To reproduce on new document (tested in 1.3.3.8): 1. Create new document. 2. Insert sample text in text frame (I tested on Bram Stoker Dracula). 3. Change the font of the text to Georgia Regular. 4. From menu: Page/Copy... and make 60 copies of the first page at the end of the document. 5. Export to pdf twice: a) first with "Outline all" (you'll notice that Georgia Regular can't be embeded for some reason) b) second time select Georgia Regular in "Save as PDF" dialog and try to send it to "Fonts to embed", it will disappear and there will be no fonts to embed and no fonts to outline Compare the pdf sizes. Open them in Adobe Reader - you'll see that the second PDF doesn't have the Georgia font embeded nor outlined (it's missing) but the size of the file is larger than the first one (with the font outlined). PS. After closing the document (but not Scribus) the memory used by the program (according to gnome-system-monitor) is not decreasing. So there could be some memory leak. |
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2007-04-07 09:27
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2007-04-07 09:28
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<magnes>Also if I generate PDF without the fonts outlined or embeded should the Adobe Reader use installed fonts (when they are available?)?</magnes> <avox>Yes, but you have to switch on "Use Local Fonts" in Acrobat Reader.</avox> @Andreas: I know it's described this way in http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=en&page=toolbox1 and I hate to disagree, but the menu item "Document/Use Local Fonts" seems to refer to fonts which are delivered with Adobe Reader (e.g. Minion Pro) and not to system wide fonts. I've uploaded two sample files (pdf and sla) to demonstrate how it works, the sla file contains 4 text frames: 2 of them use system wide fonts and the other 2 Acroread fonts (minion + myriad), none of them was embedded or outlined while exporting to pdf. Please open the resulting pdf in acroread and switch "Use Local Fonts" to see what happens. |
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@Magnes: Confirming the issue with "too large file size", exactly as described in your last note, something eats the space away: maciej@pan:~/tmp$ ls -l w*outlin*pdf //PDF with outlined fonts: -rw-r--r-- 1 maciej maciej 239601 2007-04-07 11:51 with_outlined_fonts.pdf //The same PDF without outlined or embedded fonts: -rw-r--r-- 1 maciej maciej 249157 2007-04-07 11:51 wo_outlined_fonts.pdf the issue with Georgia has been already solved by fschmid in 0005441 and works fine in 1.3.3.9cvs, be patient:) |
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2007-04-07 10:04
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<quoting>the issue with Georgia has been already solved by fschmid in 0005441 and works fine in 1.3.3.9cvs, be patient:)</quoting> I know about the resolved 0005441. I didn't test the 1.3.3.9CVS, but in 1.3.4CVS from this month (with 2048 glyph limit - I searched it in the source code to be sure) it still exists - I can't embed for example: Georgia Regular or Times New Roman Regular. |
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magnes, I've reopened 0005441 -- please add any additional remarks about the "embedding Georgia" issue there. |
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"PS. After closing the document (but not Scribus) the memory used by the program (according to gnome-system-monitor) is not decreasing. So there could be some memory leak." Nope, that's not how it works. On most platforms, and with the C/C++ runtime, a program cannot generally release memory back to the operating system. The program will never shrink in apparent memory use, however it will reuse the same memory over and over (with certain limits to do with memory fragmentation). There are exceptions to this where programs were extremely carefully written to do their own memory management in great detail - but this is rare, complex, and usually only found in long-running server processes. What'll happen is that the OS will reclaim the memory by swapping out unused chunks of the program's RAM to disk, freeing physical memory for other programs. This is clumsy but effective. That doesn't mean that there aren't any memory leaks, of course, but what you described doesn't particularly suggest one. Now, if you found that opening the document again caused the program to grow even more, THEN you might have found a problem. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2007-04-06 08:13 | Magnes | New Issue | |
| 2007-04-06 08:13 | Magnes | File Added: screenshots.zip | |
| 2007-04-06 13:21 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015754 | |
| 2007-04-06 13:21 | mhanski | Status | new => feedback |
| 2007-04-06 15:04 | Magnes | Note Added: 0015758 | |
| 2007-04-06 15:41 | Magnes | Note Edited: 0015758 | |
| 2007-04-06 15:53 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015760 | |
| 2007-04-06 16:01 | mhanski | Note Edited: 0015754 | |
| 2007-04-06 18:46 | Magnes | Note Added: 0015763 | |
| 2007-04-06 22:05 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015767 | |
| 2007-04-06 22:07 | mhanski | Relationship added | parent of 0002438 |
| 2007-04-06 22:15 | mhanski | Relationship deleted | parent of 0002438 |
| 2007-04-06 22:16 | mhanski | Relationship added | related to 0002438 |
| 2007-04-06 22:16 | cbradney | Note Added: 0015769 | |
| 2007-04-06 22:26 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015770 | |
| 2007-04-06 22:28 | mhanski | Note Edited: 0015767 | |
| 2007-04-06 22:50 | avox | Note Added: 0015771 | |
| 2007-04-07 06:29 | Magnes | Note Added: 0015777 | |
| 2007-04-07 06:36 | Magnes | Note Edited: 0015777 | |
| 2007-04-07 06:37 | Magnes | Note Edited: 0015777 | |
| 2007-04-07 06:37 | Magnes | Note Edited: 0015777 | |
| 2007-04-07 06:48 | Magnes | Note Added: 0015778 | |
| 2007-04-07 06:54 | Magnes | Note Edited: 0015778 | |
| 2007-04-07 09:27 | mhanski | File Added: use_local_fonts.pdf | |
| 2007-04-07 09:28 | mhanski | File Added: use_local_fonts.sla | |
| 2007-04-07 09:42 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015779 | |
| 2007-04-07 09:47 | Magnes | Note Edited: 0015777 | |
| 2007-04-07 09:58 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015780 | |
| 2007-04-07 09:58 | mhanski | Status | feedback => confirmed |
| 2007-04-07 09:58 | mhanski | Product Version | => 1.3.3.9cvs |
| 2007-04-07 10:04 | mhanski | File Added: wo_outlined_fonts.sla.gz | |
| 2007-04-07 11:51 | Magnes | Note Added: 0015782 | |
| 2007-04-07 12:08 | mhanski | Note Added: 0015788 | |
| 2007-04-26 19:38 |
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Note Added: 0016033 | |
| 2014-09-13 13:40 | Kunda | Relationship replaced | child of 0002438 |
| 2015-11-27 22:45 | Kunda | Tag Attached: #please_test |
