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IDProjectCategoryView StatusLast Update
0003400ScribusTypographypublic2017-10-28 10:09
Reporterchristoph_s Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityfeatureReproducibilityalways
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformallOSallOS Versionall
Product Version1.3 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0003400: Support for international typographic spacing (e.g. German)
DescriptionCurrently, Scribus only supports anglo-american typographic spacing, which isn't identical with German and probably other countries' typography. I add a list of spacings/measurements that should be included into Scribus to reflect the different traditions.
Additional Information- Basic unit: Geviert (transl: square): Font size as width

- Halbgeviert (1/2 Geviert)

- Viertelgeviert (1/4 Geviert)

- Achtelgeviert (1/8 Geviert)


Typographic spacing:

Basic unit ("normal"): Normalschriftweite/NSW (punch of letter n)

- wide = NSW + 1/48 Geviert
- narrow = NSW - 1/48 Geviert
- very narrow = NSW - 2/48 Geviert
- extremely narrow = NSW - 3/48 Geviert



Tagsspacing
PatchNo

Relationships

related to 0000294 closed Word spacing 
related to 0002545 feedback Typography: Double empty spaces 
related to 0002021 acknowledged enhance text filter: auto-change quotes to typographical quotes 
related to 0013125 new Use CTRL+SHIFT+SPACE shortcut for "NARROW SPACE" 
child of 0000131 assignedavox Ability to have various typographic spacing 
child of 0004004 acknowledged Metabug: Typographic spacing 

Activities

avox

2006-03-13 22:36

administrator   ~0009240

I guess that's what TeX calls quad or emspace (Geviert) and enspace (NSW).

christoph_s

2006-03-13 22:41

administrator   ~0009241

No, actually not. Both systems get confused easily and often.

em space = widht of letter m

Geviert = Font size as width. Example: Font size 12 pt -> Geviert = 12 x 12 pt

en space = width of letter n

NSW = Punze (punch) of letter n. The punch is the empty space _inside_ the n

mhanski

2006-04-19 09:53

developer   ~0010114

Do you mean something like adding those specific German spaces to the list in Insert/Spaces&Breaks? Adding them "hardcoded" to the list would not be a very good idea, I guess, given the plenitude of the national typographic traditions.

What I can think of as a better solution is either to make the Spaces&Breaks list freely configurable, which means everyone could extend it with a few clicks to his taste in no time, or to introduce an easy way to _switch_ between different national typografic sets, consisting of spaces, quote signs, etc. We could put those national sets into separate config files, similar to hyphenation patterns -- this would make Scribus easier to customize for German, Polish, etc. needs.

christoph_s

2006-04-19 12:16

administrator   ~0010116

I agree with you, mhanski. It would be even better if users were able to easily write and edit those config files, like it's already possible with the Short Words plugin.

avox

2006-12-01 11:47

administrator   ~0013690

Christoph, from the Unicode definition:

2003 EM SPACE
        = mutton
        * nominally, a space equal to the type size in points
        * may scale by the condensation factor of a font

So that would be the same as Geviert, no?

Anyway, I intend to implement those spaces as in the Unicode standard
(unless those chars are defined in the font).
For other spaces there will be a generic space with customizable width.

What actions are put on the Insert->Spaces menu is a different matter.

louisdesjardins

2006-12-01 18:51

developer   ~0013703

Just additionnal info. The wikipedia article has other links as well. The explanation is interesting.
http://www.paratype.com/help/term/terms.asp?code=117
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_%28typography%29

brunod

2007-10-08 18:48

reporter   ~0017563

Just to say the same topic applies to french langage.
BD

louisdesjardins

2008-02-11 02:22

developer   ~0018951

Is it possible to include this RFE in the Roadmap?

Thin space support is a must for French typography. Not to sound "alarmist" (!) but not having this is a showstopper for professional work, in FR at least. The ability to automatically insert this space in the Short Words plug-in list is a must too. We don't want to have to enter this space manually!

avox

2011-10-24 09:16

administrator   ~0027094

Louis, so what do you want:
* insert a thin space automatically before and after appropiate punctuation
* let ShortWords add those spaces
* make Scribus layout with additional space even if it's not present as a character

To me, 0000002 looks easiest. 0000001 would be possible, too, but then we could also implement autocorrection.
0000003 might be an option for a with the new text layout engine, but I'd hate to see that integrated into the current code.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2006-03-13 22:13 christoph_s New Issue
2006-03-13 22:15 cbradney Severity minor => feature
2006-03-13 22:36 avox Note Added: 0009240
2006-03-13 22:41 christoph_s Note Added: 0009241
2006-04-19 09:53 mhanski Note Added: 0010114
2006-04-19 09:53 mhanski Status new => feedback
2006-04-19 09:53 mhanski Category Story Editor / Text Frames => User Interface
2006-04-19 09:53 mhanski Product Version 1.3.4cvs => 1.3
2006-04-19 12:16 christoph_s Note Added: 0010116
2006-04-20 08:19 mhanski Summary German typographic spacing => Support for international typographic spacing (e.g. German)
2006-04-20 14:44 mhanski Relationship added related to 0000131
2006-04-20 14:45 mhanski Relationship added related to 0002545
2006-04-20 14:47 mhanski Relationship added related to 0002021
2006-04-20 15:48 mhanski Relationship added related to 0000294
2006-04-21 07:51 plinnell Relationship deleted related to 0000131
2006-04-21 07:51 plinnell Relationship added child of 0000131
2006-04-21 07:53 plinnell Status feedback => acknowledged
2006-07-10 22:13 mhanski Relationship added child of 0004004
2006-12-01 11:47 avox Note Added: 0013690
2006-12-01 18:51 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0013703
2007-10-08 18:48 brunod Note Added: 0017563
2008-02-11 02:22 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0018951
2011-10-24 09:16 avox Note Added: 0027094
2015-06-09 11:56 JLuc Relationship added related to 0013125
2017-10-28 10:09 JLuc Category User Interface => Typography
2017-10-28 10:09 JLuc Patch => No
2017-10-28 10:09 JLuc Tag Attached: spacing