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0001098ScribusStory Editor / Text Framespublic2016-11-11 13:22
Reporterpacketbell Assigned To 
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformanyOSanyOS Versionany
Product Version1.3 
Summary0001098: Feature request ot manually integrate Shift+Click automatic text frames (without using mouse)
DescriptionText frames that are created automatically when clicking the 'Edit text tool' on the canvas area. When this method is used, as opposed to creating a text frame first, the shape properties will 'Scale frame to text size' (can be changed later of course).
The width of an automatic text frame is determined by the nearest boundaries (either page margins or guides).


related to 0001069 closedjghali Auto-adjust size of text box to the text 
related to 0001410 acknowledged Allow automatic text frames after document has been started 
related to 0000245 acknowledged Automatic addition of new pages with auto-text frames. 
related to 0011043 new once the document is created, there is no way to disable auto text frames 
related to 0008635 new Automatically create text frames from paragraph styles 
related to 0008806 confirmed Strange display of automatic linked frames when pages inserted (pages get bumped out of doc flow) 
related to 0007584 confirmed Automatic Textframes of generated new page are at the wrong position 
related to 0001592 confirmed New textframes not linkable to "Autoframes" 
related to 0003266 feedback Enable changing the number of columns in automatic text frames 
related to 0005177 closed Display of the new auto frames wrong 
related to 0002673 feedback Linking and unlinking of automatically created text frames doesn't work correctly 
related to 0011046 confirmed Adding page w/Text frames in to preexisting Automatic Text Frames will bump said text frames to last page outside of canvas 



2006-04-14 22:16

developer   ~0009986

if I get you right, you would like to:

-- click on the "Story Editor" before a text frame has been created
-- type your text or import it into the Story Editor
-- on closing the "Story Editor" a frame/many frames of appriopriate height and width should be created...

is this what you've meant?


2006-04-14 23:53

reporter   ~0009993

Last edited: 2006-04-14 23:59

No, sorry for the confusion. What I meant is a text tool that works like PageMaker's text tool: click on the canvas and start typing. This method is much quicker for headlines and captions.
For this to work, a new text frame attribute would be needed to scale the frame [vertically] based on the frame contents: add/resize text and the frame gets bigger.
The current method of creating a frame first, and then filling it with text works great for body text, but is cumbersome for adding a quick headline or caption.


2006-04-15 00:10

administrator   ~0009994

It's not only PageMaker that works that way. I have worked with several other programs, which exactly behave the same, e. g. RagTime or Canvas. To be honest, I never found this way appealing. A clear frame based approach is less confusing and more consistent, and in the end, users have more control. Just think about an endless number of inadvertently created frames.


2006-04-15 08:48

developer   ~0009997

packetbell, thank you, i got it :)

personally, i like the current approach, but I'm not a DTP professional by any means:)


2006-04-15 08:49

developer   ~0009998

Reminder sent to: cbradney

what do you think: "won't fix" or "acknowledged"?


2006-04-15 11:56

administrator   ~0010001

Maybe even fixed in 1.3.4cvs.. if you select the text tool, and then Shift click it will create a frame within the nearest guides/margins/page boundary.


2006-04-15 12:59

developer   ~0010002

I find this confusing too.

Can we fine tune this a bit? The text in a frame is how Scribus works. But I agree to some extent that setting up a title or few lines of text could be made more intuitive (less clicks, less mouse movements).

If we are going to dig in that direction, could we imagine a text tool that would allow typing directly on the canvas AND creating at the same time its own text frame? That way, we remain in the Scribus way, with frames, but there is a way to intuitively create a new text frame and edit it at the same time. With a single click on the canvas. How does that sound?

Also, I like the idea of having a text frame that, like image frame, can adapt to the content (set frame size to image size is the option I think. So, same could apply to text frame). Actually, we need the fixed frame approach and at the same time an adaptable frame would be very efficient as well.


2006-04-15 13:26

developer   ~0010003

Oops! My note is actually answering packetbell's suggestion. I didn't see Craig's note before posting my own. Sorry.


2006-04-15 13:29

developer   ~0010004

The Shift-click trick is interesting. I cannot say it's what I was thinking (and I don't think this is what packetbell has in mind as well) and I'd have to give it a test drive to see wether it is useful or not. But it sure works! :)


2006-04-15 18:07

developer   ~0010013

tested it with 1.3.4cvs, it works as described by cbradney with shift+click.

packetbell: is it OK for you, if I resolve this now?


2006-04-15 18:31

administrator   ~0010014

Craig's trick is most likely not what packetbell intended. I'm quite sure he preferred something that inkscape does after choosing the text tool (I'm mentioning inkscape in addition to PM, RagTime and Canvas because I suppose everyone has access to it). This is a different kind of animal.

If one would think about implementing this, it would be neccessary that no empty text frames can be created that way, IMHO, because, as stated above, it's easy to create lots of empty objects by mistake.


2006-04-15 19:13

developer   ~0010017

I agree. As described by packetbell, the bug is not resolved and I think we need more discussion as how to implement such a feature. There are good reasons to be cautious here. Christoph has a very good point. I don't know if what I suggest is to the taste of others. Please don't close this bug yet.


2006-04-15 21:37

reporter   ~0010022

Implementing this feature would *not* do away with the frame-based metaphor. Once an 'automatic' text frame has been created, it behaves like any other text frame. It would only require an extra frame property:

[x] Adjust frame-size to contents

This will ensure that the frame scales (vertically) as the text is modified. To turn the frame into a regular text frame, simply uncheck the 'Adjust ...' option.

The other functionality I described (snap to nearest boundaries) is only applicable when the frame is first created. Afterwards, it is just a text frame, and it will only snap to boundaries if 'Snap to Grid' or 'Snap to Guides' is active.

When 'Adjust frame-size to contents' is the default behavior for the shift-click text tool modifier, this would be exactly what I was after.


2006-04-15 22:59

developer   ~0010025

>> When 'Adjust frame-size to contents' is the default behavior for the shift-click text tool modifier, this would be exactly what I was after.

That makes sense to me. But there is still a text frame in that idea. This seems to me we are in the "frame metaphor" you don't want. Something is slipping out of my understanding. What is it that I don't get?


2006-04-16 01:09

reporter   ~0010027

>> This seems to me we are in the "frame metaphor" you don't want. Something is slipping out of my understanding. What is it that I don't get?

I don't think I ever spoke against the concept of a frame. This is just an enhancement for quickly creating frames that contain short texts, like headlines, captions, or short bits of text you need to work with when doing a free-format page.


2006-04-16 02:23

developer   ~0010028

Understand. Thank you. And I think it will be a nice enhancement.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2004-09-17 18:36 packetbell New Issue
2006-02-06 18:11 jo-hannes Relationship added related to 0001069
2006-04-14 22:01 mhanski Relationship added related to 0001410
2006-04-14 22:02 mhanski Relationship added related to 0000245
2006-04-14 22:03 mhanski OS => any
2006-04-14 22:03 mhanski OS Version => any
2006-04-14 22:03 mhanski Platform => any
2006-04-14 22:03 mhanski Product Version 1.2 => 1.3
2006-04-14 22:16 mhanski Note Added: 0009986
2006-04-14 23:53 packetbell Note Added: 0009993
2006-04-14 23:59 packetbell Note Edited: 0009993
2006-04-15 00:10 christoph_s Note Added: 0009994
2006-04-15 08:48 mhanski Note Added: 0009997
2006-04-15 08:49 mhanski Note Added: 0009998
2006-04-15 11:56 cbradney Note Added: 0010001
2006-04-15 12:59 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0010002
2006-04-15 13:26 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0010003
2006-04-15 13:29 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0010004
2006-04-15 18:07 mhanski Note Added: 0010013
2006-04-15 18:31 christoph_s Note Added: 0010014
2006-04-15 19:13 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0010017
2006-04-15 21:37 packetbell Note Added: 0010022
2006-04-15 22:59 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0010025
2006-04-16 01:09 packetbell Note Added: 0010027
2006-04-16 02:23 louisdesjardins Note Added: 0010028
2006-04-29 21:09 mhanski Status new => feedback
2015-09-17 20:08 Kunda Category Story Editor / Text Frames => Story Ed/Txt Frames
2015-09-17 20:12 Kunda Category Story Ed/Txt Frames => Story Editor / Text Frames
2015-11-24 00:34 Kunda Relationship added related to 0001592
2016-01-19 12:36 Kunda Relationship added related to 0003266
2016-01-19 12:37 Kunda Relationship added related to 0011043
2016-01-19 12:38 Kunda Relationship added related to 0008635
2016-01-31 00:21 Kunda Relationship added related to 0005177
2016-02-14 13:54 Kunda Relationship added related to 0008806
2016-02-14 13:56 Kunda Relationship added related to 0002673
2016-04-11 18:59 Kunda Tag Attached: Autoframes
2016-04-12 14:55 Kunda Relationship added related to 0007584
2016-05-20 13:41 Kunda Relationship added related to 0011046
2016-11-11 13:20 Kunda Status feedback => acknowledged
2016-11-11 13:20 Kunda Summary Automatic text frames => Automatic text frames (feature request ot manually integrate Shift+Click)
2016-11-11 13:20 Kunda Patch => No
2016-11-11 13:22 Kunda Summary Automatic text frames (feature request ot manually integrate Shift+Click) => Feature request ot manually integrate Shift+Click automatic text frames (without using mouse)